WHEN



WAS JESUS



BORN?








OPEN: Hey! Good morning and welcome to STAG. I'm Jack. Times being what they are, I've been trying to confirm God and Christ so that some might have the courage to give God a try. He's the only way to real protection for the coming months and years. One can't really take up with God unless there exists a strong belief to found the action. Two times ago I reviewed faithing. Last time I discovered God's reality through an investigation of belief systems. This time, seeing that Christmas is coming up, I want to get into Jesus reality and his real birth Day. Unlike Obama, we really know when Jesus was born. But first -

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PROPHECY
The first thing I want to do is look at Jesus in prophecy. He's all over the Old Testament. You can get out your Bible and check me as I go. Dr. Scott used to say the OT was UNfolded of the NT, and that the NT is INfolded in the Old.

Jacob to Joseph
Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Moses to the Israelites when giving the Statutes at Jotbath
Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

David declares:
Psa 16:9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
David on the run? Folks don't usually think of David as a prophet. David lived 1000 years before Jesus. David had to be inspired to write what he did. None of this actually happened to David. And I don't think he knew he was prophesying the crucifixion of Jesus. Maybe at the moment David was writing, he was only expressing in various different terms the way he felt on being betrayed by a favorite son and mostly abandoned by his beloved land. How interesting that a good portion of his description describe Christ.
Psa 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Psa 22:8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

David re: the Temple
Psa 132:11 The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

Isaiah against the House of Israel.
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Prophecy against the House of Israel.
Isa 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah to the House of Israel.
Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Jeremiah to Israel's "shepherds" before the Babylonian captivity:
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Gabriel to Daniel:
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

Micah to Bethlehem
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Malachi to the Israelites after Babylon:
Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

WOODROW
I've got a book here called Babylon Mystery Religion, Ancient and Modern, 1966, by Ralph Woodrow. I'm just going to read a couple of brief things that he's got here.

"Christmas, December 25th, is the day designated on our calendars as the day of Christ's birth. But is this really the day upon which Christ was born? Are today's customs at this season of the year of a Christian origin, or is Christmas another result of a mixture between paganism and Christianity? A look at the word "Christmas" indicates that it is a mixture. And though it includes the name "Christ," it also mentions "mass." Now, the mass, with its rituals, elaborate ceremony, pagan prayers for the dead, transubstantiation rites, etc., is most assuredly a continuation of paganism. Considering that the name of these pagan rites, the mass, is connected with the name of "Christ" and the word "Christmas," we immediately see an attempt to merge two conflicting systems together. Actually, to attach the name "Christ" with the word "mass," a pagan and heathenistic ritual, is but to pollute the holy name of our God.

"The word "Christmas" is not found anywhere in the Scriptures, of course, and, as we shall see, December 25th is definitely not the date on which Christ was born. And it's evident that our Savior was not born during the middle of winter, for at this time of his birth, the shepherds were living out in the fields with their flocks. That's what the Scripture says. "There were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watching over their flock by night." That's in Luke 2:8. Well, as is well-known, the shepherds in Palestine do not "abide in the fields" during the winter season. The shepherds always bring their flocks in from the mountain slopes and the fields not later than October 15th (that's a month and a half earlier).

"It's quite evident, then, that Christ was not actually born in the middle of the winter season, but on the other hand, do the Scriptures tell us the season of the year he was born? Yes, the Scriptures indicate that he was born in the fall of the year. For example, our Lord's public ministry lasted three and a half years. His ministry came to an end at the time of the Passover, which was in the spring of the year. And so, three and a half years before that mark would be the beginning of his ministry, in the fall of the year.

"Now, when Jesus began his ministry he was about 30 years of age. It says so in Luke 3:23. But also, this was the official age before which no one could serve as a priest in Judaism at the temple, any of the Levites or anything. You had to be 30 before you could serve as a priest. It was a recognized age that He could become an official minister under the Old Testament law. Therefore, since Christ began His ministry at about the age of 30, and since this was in the fall of the year, then 30 years before that would mark His birth in the early fall of the year, not December 25th.

"And still further proof of this conclusion may be seen from the fact that at the time that Jesus was born, Joseph and Mary had gone to Bethlehem to be taxed."" And I like how he brings in an extra sidelight here. A lot of us hear about how they went to be taxed. But on top of that, there must have been one of the Jewish festivals happening, where thousands and thousands of people showed up at Jerusalem at the temple. He'll go into that in a minute, that they had gone to be taxed. "But there are no records of this period whatsoever that would indicate that the middle of winter was the time of taxing. On the other hand, there is evidence that taxes were paid in the fall season of the year, and this was the logical time for taxes to be paid, since this was the end of the harvest." So you got the profit from your harvest and you went to be taxed.

"There is also evidence that when Joseph and Mary made this trip that it was the time of the great feast at Jerusalem. This is the most logical reason why Mary went with Joseph, to attend the feast, as they also did later on occasions. For there was no law that would require the woman's presence at the taxing, and yet she was there." So they went for the feast. Joseph might have gone to be taxed, but they went for the feast. See, "we know that at the time they went to pay taxes was also the time of one of the great feasts of Jerusalem because of the enormous crowd. So enormous, in fact, that "there was no room at the inn in Bethlehem." Now Jerusalem was normally a city of only 120,000 inhabitants but, according to Josephus, during the feasts, sometimes as many as two million Jews would gather there." That's ten times as many, right? "There was such a vast throng of people coming for the feast, not only would Jerusalem be filled, but the surrounding towns also, including Bethlehem, which was only five miles south." See, mere taxation would not cause a crowd this big to be in Bethlehem, because each person was supposed to return to his own city to be taxed. So there weren't two million people from the Jerusalem area.

"And so taking all of these things in consideration, it seems evident that Joseph and Mary made the journey, not only to pay the taxes, but also to attend a great feast at Jerusalem. Now this was at the end of the harvest season that they were taxed, and this was also the time of the Feast of the Tabernacles." You see, there are three main times when everybody is supposed to go to Jerusalem for these set times, these sacrifice times. That was in the spring, at Passover; in the fall, as we said, for the Feast of the Tabernacles; and in the middle of that was the Feast of Pentecost, which happens a little short of a couple of months from Passover, so it's in the early summer.

"So all of this, as well as the evidence already given, would mark the date of Christ's birth in the fall, not December 25th. So since Christ wasn't born on December 25th, then how did this particular day come to be part of the church calendar?" Because it was grafted on to Christianity from paganism, is the main answer. "History has the answer. Instead of this day being the time of our Savior's birth, it is the very day and season on which the pagans, for centuries, all the way back to 3,000 B.C., had celebrated the birth of the sun god. A study into this shows how far the apostate church leaders went in their effort to merge Christianity and paganism into one apostate religion, even to placing Christ's birth on a date to harmonize with the pagan birthday celebration of the sun god. It was in the fifth century that the Roman Catholic Church commanded that the birth of Christ be observed forever on December 25th. That was the day of the old Roman feast of the birth of Sol, one of the names of the sun god.

Where Does Christmas Come From, and Why? "Doesn't the Bible say, Christ was born at Christmas?" Nope. There are many folks who think that the Bible is void of even an indication as to the time of Christ's birth. I guess that's because the evidence comes from not one cohesive little passage, but in dribs and drabs from different books of the Bible. Then there is more information to be found in secular history. Not only can you determine the season of the year, but pin down the day of the year that Jesus was born.

THE BIBLE and THE ZODIAC LUKE 1:24-49; 1:5. Zacharias' work date defines time of John's conception, and Jesus follows by 6 months. Zacharias' work date can be precisely determined by using the fifth verse of chapter one. He was of the course, or work period. Abia. This was the 8th work period out of 24. Each Levite worked in the Temple twice a year for oneo week. Then at the Feasts, all the Levites showed up. Basically, each Levite worked in the temple five weeks in the year; two on the roatation and three at the Feasts. Zacharias was assigned to work in the eighth course, which was in the last half of June.

That means that when Zacharias came home at the end of June, John was conceived. These courses started with the religious new year, Passover. So 8 or so weeks after Passover, John was conceived. Six months later, the angel told Mary, at the conception of Jesus, that Elisabeth was six months pregnant. Jesus would be born six months after John.

John would have been born in March. June to March is 9 months. Six months later would be September/October. That's exactly when the Feast of the Trumpets, Rosh Hashanah occurs. Jesus was born in the early fall, not the end of December.

Now here's a neat little confirmation of Jesus being born in the fall. The Zodiac. You see, our modern Zodiac, because of astrology, is said to begfin with Aries the lamb. Well, Jesus is called the Lamb of God. But when we look at the Zodiac from that view, It doesn't tell, using all 48 constellations, the whole story of Jesus, his nature, his mission and his final triumph. To do that we must start in a different place. Well, isn't Virgo the perfect place to start? It's the constellation that speaks of the birth of a "seed" by a virgin, called the "desire of all nations", who is two natured and will come to harvest the earth. The three side constelllaions of Coma, Centaurus and Bootes fill out the story of the Virgin Virgo. And when in the year does Virgo come around? In the early fall, September-October. Not late December. If Jesus isn't the reason for such a world wide festival, what is?

HISLOP
"In pagan days, this birth of the sun god was especially popular among the branch of the mysteries known as Mithraism. Concerning this we read, 'The largest pagan religious cult which fostered celebration of December 25th as a holiday throughout the Roman and Greek worlds was the pagan sun worship, Mithraism.' This festival was called 'The Nativity,' the nativity of the sun. And not only was Mithra the sun god of Mithraism, said to be born at this time of the year, but also - get this list of names - Osiris, Horus; those are Egyptians - Hercules, Bacchus, Adonis, Jupiter, Tammuz, and other sun gods were also supposedly born at what is today called the Christmas season," the winter solstice. I mean, how much more logical? I mean, the winter solstice has got to be one of the greatest days of the year. I mean, weather-wise, it is for me. I feel rotten until the solstice, and then I know that the days are starting to get longer again. It's a great thing to just get through the winter, even though you've still got January and February to go, the days start getting longer. It's wonderful. Why not have a big celebration?

"Says one noted author, 'The winter solstice was the time at which all the sun gods, from Osiris, Jupiter and Mithra, had celebrated their birthdays, the celebration being adorned with pine trees of Adonis, the holly of Saturn, and the mistletoe. Tapers represented the kindling of the newborn sun god's fire.'

"Now the fact that the various sun gods that were worshiped in different countries were all believed to have born at the same season would seem to indicate that they were but a different form, under different names, of course, of the original son of the sun god, Tammuz." The sun god was Nimrod, in the Bible, and his son, Tammuz, who wasn't really his son because he was dead, long gone, before his wife Semiramis, could even have gotten pregnant with Tammuz, but that's what they promote. He's the son of Nimrod of Babylon. That was the land from which the sun worship originally spread. Ancient Babylon is the first civilization of recorded history, and that was their religion, sun religion.

"In Babylon, the birthday of Tammuz was celebrated at this time of the winter solstice, with great feasts and revelry and drunkenness, in the same way that many celebrate it today. The ancient celebration spread and became so much of an established custom that "in pagan Greece and Rome in the days of the Teutonic barbarians, in the remote times of ancient Egyptian civilization, in the infancy of the race East, West and North and South, the period of the winter solstice was ever a period of great rejoicing and festivity." "And when this mid-winter festival came to Rome, it was known as the Saturnalia, Saturn being but another name for Nimrod, as I mentioned, or Tammuz, as the hidden god. This feast was the most vile, when it came to Rome, immoral feast that ever disgraced pagan Rome. It was a season of license, drunkenness, and debauchery, when all restraints of law were laid aside. Slaves even abused their masters". It was part of the trip. "And it was from this very feast at Rome that the merry-making of this season passed into the Roman Catholic Church and on down to our present day and our civilization. 'It is a matter of common knowledge,' says one writer, 'that much of our association with the Christmas season, the holidays, the giving of presents, and the general feeling of geniality, is but the inheritance from the Roman winter festival of the Saturnalia' - survivals of paganism." Paganism. Jesus was not born December 25th. He was born at the Feast of the Trumpets, late September, early October, the beginning of the Jewish civil year.

CS LEWIS-The Grand Miracle, chapter 15.

Wow! Isn't CS Lewis something? He gets so deep into things.

WRAP:1-So we know three things about Jesus. We know it was he that the Prophets all talked about. We know he fulfilled all the early prophecies about him. Second, we know the day of his birth, and it ain't Dec 25. Third we know that he set us an example to strive toward. He verified, physically, that there was a new type of body and mission awaiting those who act on God's word as he did. Faithe.
2-Jesus doesn't save. It's faithing that saves, because of what Jesus did.
3-If you want to talk about this or anything else, STAG is a comfortable place to do that. We're at 88 Briceland Rd., in Redway. The number is 707 923 ALLY 2559. Or on the web at STAG.ws. Big archive of radio programs up there. The email is STAG@asis.com.
4-I'll be back here one the 6th of January. I trust I'll see you then. 5-I recommend that you pause your physical preparations for what's ahead and get right with God. You know you can't cover all the bases, but God's the Umpire. He's the only One with the power to make what looks like a sure Out into "Safe!" He's real. He does what He's said He would. This is Jack, bye.

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