OPEN: Hey, Good morning and welcome to STAG, I'm Jack. We'll be checking out the so called Lord's Prayer today but Believers must pay attention to Romans 13. Romans chapter 13 says we're supposed to obey the gov't. If They come to take you guns, cattle, car, or force you to get a vaccination, the troops will be assisted by local church leaders. They'll be holding up the Bible as confirmation. Leaders are "ordained by God", they'll say. This is important information, even for those who have never set foot in a church or opened a Bible. In a panic situation, even an atheist is likely to listen to a Pastor. In a minute we'll see what Romans 13 really says.

ROMANS 13: 1-We've got the Rochester Democrat & chronicle, KSLA News 12, Chuck Baldwin and two participants to listen to on Romans 13 and the Clergy Response Team.

Chuck Baldwin:
If Hurricane Katrina is the template that our federal government is using as a model for future events, Heaven help us! Do readers remember how National Guard troops were used to confiscate the personal firearms of isolated and vulnerable civilians shortly after that hurricane devastated the New Orleans area? Do you remember how representatives of the federal government were calling upon pastors and ministers to act as spokesmen for gun confiscation? Is this what the new Army brigade is preparing for?

In May 2006, we also exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

A whistleblower who was secretly enrolled into the program told us that the feds were clandestinely recruiting religious leaders to help implement Homeland Security directives in anticipation of a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

Though some doubted the accuracy of this report at the time due to its fundamentally disturbing implications, the story was later confirmed by a KSLA 12 news report, in which participating clergy and officials admit to the existence of the program.

Rochester Democrat & Chronicle--Now comes a TV news report from Louisiana of what some other of those faith-based first responders were doing during Katrina: helping the government take away victims' guns.

Could martial law ever become a reality in America? Some fear any nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. soil might trigger just that. KSLA News 12 has discovered that the clergy would help the government with potentially their biggest problem: Us. . . .

If martial law were enacted here at home, like depicted in the movie "The Siege", easing public fears and quelling dissent would be critical. And that's exactly what the 'Clergy Response Team' helped accomplish in the wake of Katrina.

Dr. Durell Tuberville serves as chaplain for the Shreveport Fire Department and the Caddo Sheriff's Office. Tuberville said of the clergy team's mission, "the primary thing that we say to anybody is, 'let's cooperate and get this thing over with and then we'll settle the differences once the crisis is over.'" - KSLA-TV

And when they aren't taking them outright, they're buying them. A clergy response team in Rochester completed a gun buyback program August 4, taking 102 guns from citizens and giving them $50 gift cards for Wegmans Food Markets in exchange.

At one point, the officers ran out of cards and Police Chief David Moore had to rush to a store to get more, said the Rev. Deloris Simpson, a member of the Clergy Response Team.

"Thank God for Wegmans," said Simpson. "They've given people the incentive to say 'enough is enough.' One lady turned in four guns and she didn't even want a certificate. She just wanted them out of her house." The police collected 29 long guns, 69 handguns and four air guns. Officer Deidre Taccone said the department was just as pleased to get the air guns because they're also commonly used in crimes.

Pastor Exposes FEMA Plan To Use Them To Pacify Cowboy Farmers When Martial Law Is Declared.

Pastor Butch Paugh | May 23, 2006:
About three months ago, I was invited to become a part of a group implementing federal FEMA/Homeland Security directives in our county. I couldn't pass that up!

Lots of interesting and bothersome info being discussed at these meetings...

Local FEMA's ('across the US' according to a spokesman at our local meeting) are gathering Ministers (Pastors) to help in the event of a "declaration of Martial Law or like police action following a declared emergency or quarantine due to an act of bio-terrorism". The discussion centered around the need of 'locals' to "quell the cowboy mentality" of farmers who may have their stock or crops confiscated and subsequently destroyed.

FEMA and other Disaster Agencies (NVOAD in particular: are training volunteers in a "Peer to Peer" program. That program trains people to assist FEMA in a neighborhood setting--teams reach out to neighbors in a declared emergency and "get their neighbors to obey authorities". According to our spokesman, Ministers will be especially helpful because "you guys and gals can use Romans 13.

FEMA training by Rev Revere:

It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure. It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."

We have received confirmation from other preachers and Pastors that this program is a nationwide initiative and a literal Soviet model whereby the churches are being systematically infiltrated by government volunteers and used as conduits for martial law training and conditioning. The Pastor was told that over 1,300 counties were already on board.

"We get the picture that we're going to be standing at the end of some farmer's lane while he's standing there with his double barrel, saying we have to confiscate your cows, your chickens, your firearms," said Pastor Revere.
The Pastor elaborated on how the directives were being smoke screened by an Orwellian alteration of their names. "They're not using the term 'quarantine' - this is the term they're going to be using - it's called 'social distancing' don't you like that one," said the Pastor.
He also highlighted how detention camps had been renamed to give them a friendly warm veneer. "Three months ago it was quarantine and relocation centers and now it's 'community centers' and these are going to be activated at the local schools," he said.
Pastor Revere outlined the plan to carry out mass vaccination and enforced drugging programs in times of crisis such as a bird flu outbreak.
"In the event of an outbreak or a bio-terrorist attack, there'd be a mass vaccination....they have a program nationwide 'Pills in People's Palm In 48 Hours'," said the Pastor who was told that Walmart had been designated as the central outlet of this procedure.
Pastor Revere said that many attendees believed in the necessity of the program and were completely unaware to the motivations behind its true purpose and were offered incentives to become volunteers such as preferential treatment and first access for themselves and their families to vaccines and food shipments in times of emergency.
Which roads to close off after martial law was declared had also already been mapped out.

The precedent for mass gun confiscation in times of real or manufactured emergency was set during Hurricane Katrina when police and national guard patrols forced homeowners even in areas unaffected by the hurricane to hand over their legally owned firearms at gunpoint.

By Chuck Baldwin February 27, 2009
It seems that every time someone such as myself attempts to encourage our Christian brothers and sisters to resist an unconstitutional or otherwise reprehensible government policy, we hear the retort, "What about Romans Chapter 13? We Christians must submit to government. Any government. Read your Bible, and leave me alone," or words to that effect. No doubt, some who use this argument are sincere. They are only repeating what they have heard their pastor and other religious leaders say. On the other hand, let's be honest enough to admit that some who use this argument are just plain lazy, apathetic, and indifferent. And Romans 13 is their escape from responsibility. I suspect this is the much larger group, by the way.

Nevertheless, for the benefit of those who are sincere (b ut obviously misinformed), let's briefly examine Romans Chapter 13. I quote Romans Chapter 13, verses 1 through 7, from the Authorized King James text:

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

Do our Christian friends who use these verses to teach that we should not oppose any political leader really believe that civil magistrates have unlimited authority to do anything they want without opposition? I doubt that they truly believe that.

For example, what if our President decided to resurrect the old monarchal custom of Jus Primae Noctis (Law of First Night)? That was the old medieval custom when the king claimed the right to sleep with a subject's bride on the first night of their marriage. Would our sincere Christian brethren sheepishly say, "Romans Chapter 13 says we must submit to the government"? I think not. And would any of us respect any man who would submit to such a law? I wouldn't.

So, there are limits to authority. A father has authority in his home, but does this give him power to abuse his wife and children? Of course not. An employer has authority on the job, but does this give him power to control the private lives of his employees? No. A pastor has overseer authority in the church, but does this give him power to tell employers in his church how to run their businesses? Of course not. All human authority is limited in nature. No man has unlimited authority over the lives of other men. Lordship and Sovereignty is the exclusive domain of Jesus Christ.

By the same token, a civil magistrate has authority in civil matters, but his authority is limited and defined. Observe that Romans Chapter 13 clearly limits the authority of civil government by strictly defining its purpose: "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil . . . For he is the minister of God to thee for good . . . for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

Notice that civil government must not be a "terror to good works." It has no power or authority to terrorize good works or good people. God never gave it that authority. And any government that oversteps that divine boundary has no divine authority or protection.

Civil government is a "minister of God to thee for good." It is a not a minister of God for evil. Civil magistrates have a divine duty to "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." They have no authority to execute wrath upon him that doeth good. None. Zilch. Zero. And anyone who says they do is lying. So, even in the midst of telling Christians to submit to civil authority, Romans Chapter 13 limits the power and reach of civil authority.

Did Moses violate God's principle of submission to authority when he killed the Egyptian taskmaster in defense of his fellow Hebrew? Did Elijah violate God's principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel? Did David violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to surrender to Saul's troops? Did Daniel violate God's principle of submission to authority when he disobeyed the king's law to not pray audibly to God? Did the three Hebrew children violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to bow to the image of the state? Did John the Baptist violate God's principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity? Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem? Did Paul violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities that demanded he abandon his missionary work? In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail.

Virtually every apostle of Christ (except John, who survived being boiled in oil, according to historians) experienced martyrdom from hostile civil authorities. In addition, Christians throughout church history were imprisoned, tortured, or killed by civil authorities of all stripes for refusing to submit to their various laws and prohibitions. Did all of these Christian martyrs violate God's principle of submission to authority?

So, even the great prophets, apostles, and writers of the Bible (including the writer of Romans Chapter 13) understood that human authority--including civil authority--is limited.

Plus, Paul makes it clear that our submission to civil authority must be predicated on more than fear of governmental retaliation. Notice, he said, "Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake." Meaning, our obedience to civil authority is more than just "because they said so." It is also a matter of conscience. This means we must think and reason for ourselves regarding the justness and rightness of our government's laws. Obedience is not automatic or robotic. It is a result of both rational deliberation and moral approbation.

Remember, too, that we are all subject to Natural Law. No human authority has the right to demand that men surrender their submission to God's law "written in their hearts." When any human authority attempts to do this, it becomes tyrannical, because, again, it challenges the Lordship and Sovereignty of man's Creator.

As William Blackstone (as studied and devoted a Christian scholar as there ever was) wrote, "This law of nature, being co-eval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original." (Source: William Blackstone, "Of The Nature of Laws in General")

Therefore, there are times when civil authority must be resisted. Either governmental abuse of power or the violation of conscience (or both) could precipitate civil disobedience. Of course, how and when we decide to resist civil authority is an entirely separate issue. And I will reserve that discussion for another time.

Beyond that, we in the United States of America do not live under a monarchy. We have no king. There is no single governing official in this country. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with any man or any group of men. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with the President, the Congress, or even the Supreme Court. In America, the U.S. Constitution is the "supreme Law of the Land." Under our laws, every governing official publicly promises to submit to the c constitution of the United States. Do readers understand the significance of this distinction? I hope so.

This means that in America the "higher powers" are not the men who occupy elected office, they are the tenets and principles set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Under our laws and form of government, it is the duty of every citizen, including our elected officials, to obey the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, this is how Romans Chapter 13 reads to Christians in America:

"Let every soul be subject unto the [U.S. Constitution.] For there is no [Constitution] but of God: the [Constitution] that be [is] ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the [Constitution], resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For [the Constitution is] not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the [Constitution]? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For [the Constitution] is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for [the Constitution] beareth not the sword in vain: for [the Constitution] is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also: for [the constitution is] God's minister, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

Dear Christian friend, the above is exactly the proper understanding of our responsibility to civil authority in these United States, per the teaching of Romans Chapter 13. Furthermore, Christians, above all people, should desire that their elected representatives submit to the Constitution, because it is constitutional government that has done more to protect Christian liberty than any governing document ever devised by man. As I have noted before in this column, Biblical principles form the foundation of all three of America's founding documents: the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

In addition, if Christians (and others) had been properly obedient to the Constitution (and Romans 13), they would also have submitted to the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which recognizes the authority of the States in matters not specifically ceded to the federal government. In other words, the Constitution intended that the authority of the federal government be small and limited, with most authority residing within the States and among the people themselves.

As submission to the Constitution and Natural Law have provided a haven of peace and prosperity in these United States, Christians (for the most part) have not had to face the painful decision to "obey God rather than men" and defy their civil authorities. However, as it is obvious that a majority of our government leaders currently have almost no fidelity to their oaths to defend the U.S. Constitution, it is becoming more and more likely that we--like our forefathers--will need to rediscover Benjamin Franklin's declaration that "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." (Of course, this effort, too, must be accomplished within the scope of law, both divine and civil.)

The problem in America today is that we have allowed our political leaders to violate their oaths of office and to ignore, and blatantly disobey, the "supreme Law of the Land," the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, if we truly believe Romans Chapter 13, we will insist and demand that our civil magistrates submit to the U.S. Constitution.

Now, how many of us Christians are going to truly obey Romans Chapter 13?

Lord's Prayer: This short study shows how I went behind the King James English to the Greek words that were used in the translation. This method of "translating/substituting" is a good basic way to help understand what the writer had in mind. You may have already heard me use this method.

One last note. This is always called the Lord's Prayer, but to avoid any confusion, know that Jesus never prayed this prayer. My guess is that the name, Lord's Prayer, came about because it was the Lord who gave it to us. Jesus couldn't possibly have prayed this prayer and been the Son of God. Jesus had no reason to ask for forgiveness of his sins. He had none.

We may not be able to learn Greek and Hebrew, or have access to the Codex Vaticanus. We may not be able to read what other ancient languages recorded as scripture. How many of us know Ethiopic or Syriac? But we surely can get a Strong's Concordance and look up the definitions for the original words used by the writers. I really believe that this kind of study is probably more effective than reading a couple commentaries or looking at five or six different translations.

If you want to verify this for yourself, just look up "faith" in those five or six other translations or commentaries. Get a good sense of how "faith" is being used. My guess is that you will understand those other translations to mean "belief" when they say "faith".

I have found very few places where "faith" is understood as a VERB. My pages are spilling over with this idea. Faith is a verb. I haven't seen one English translation that conveys the idea of action when the word "faith" is used.

The Greek word pistis is a trusting action. English doesn't have one word that believes, trusts and acts. Trust is a very poor substitute for pistis. Too many non-action ideas are part of trust. Trust easily travels between attitude, action, idea, and mind set. You, as a sincere student will never know that "faith" is a verb by reading any English translations.

Try not to get angry at the translators over this next part. The word pisteuo, that is always translated into some form of the word "believe," has the exact same properties as pistis. You must have noticed that they both have the same root, pist. Think what that does to many Christian's "proof text" that they are saved, John 3:16. If they say, "I believe in God. I'm saved," they are in serious, nay fatal error.

OK. Now it's your turn. A new look at the "Lord's Prayer." You really should do more than just read this stuff. Reading isn't study. Get out your Bible and Strong's and check the references and definitions. Have some serious fun. I must admit that this prayer doesn't have any big surprises in the definitions of the words. It's a pretty faithful translation. LEAD: I confess that just looking up the definiton of the word and its derivitives in Strong's doesn't "lead" us to the idea of abandonment. I even looked in my big "Word Meanings in the New Testament", by Ralph Earle. He doesn't give "lead" one word. The ASV says "bring…us not." Phillips says, "keep us clear." The Basic English Bible has, "not be put to the test." And Goodspeed says, "do not subject us." I believe that the idea of abandonment lies at a deeper level. My original source for this idea was a diaglot interlinear New Testament. Diaglot just means two-tongues. It has the Greek with the transliterated English below. Well, Strong's has referenced the word, eisphero, which means "inward carry". My Diaglot version has the Greek word, eisenegkes, and is translated "abandon." Some circumstantial evidence that helps me is, the puzzlement that comes on most folks when they really think about God leading them into temptation. We don't like a God like that. We can tolerate His allowing temptation to come at us, so we'll turn to Him in trust, get stronger, but we don't want that tempting to come from God, Himself. This reconciles nicely with 1Cor 10:13, which says God will not allow us to be tempted beyond that which we're able; and with the temptation make a way of escape. Now it's time to take all those definitions and substitute them for the translated English words in the KJV. My hope and expectation is that you will have a fuller understanding of what Jesus told us about praying to God.

6-But when you pray to God go in a storage chamber, and when you've shut the door, pray to your heavenly parent which is concealed; and your Father who looks at the concealed will give away to you in a fixed apparent place.
7-But when you pray to God, prate not tediously like the Gentiles; for they think they will be heard because of their excessive talk.
9-Pray to God in this way: Our parent which is in the eternal sky, venerated and holy be your authority and character.
10-Please establish you realm. Let your determination govern the earth, as it does the heavenly eternity.
11-Bestow and grant us today our needed subsistence; bread.
12-And discharge our dues/faults, as we discharge that owed to us by others.
13-And don't abandon us in the times of our proving or adversity, but rescue us, for yourself, from hurtful, culpability & malice (the Evil One). You are the ruler, with the force and apparent glory forever. Surely, so be it.

Was that worth while? If you said yes, you can get a bunch more of this kind of satisfaction by doing the same process with your own "important" verses. and if you really had fun, email me at the link below.

Now just lighten up the mood, here's the prayer as an amusing but insightful "conversation".

"Our Father which art in heaven," --- Yes?

"Don't interrupt me. I'm praying" --- But you called me

"Called you? I didn't call you. I'm praying. 'Our Father which art in heaven," --- There you did it again.

"Did what?" -- Called me. You said, "Our Father which art in heaven." Here I am. What's on your mind?

"But I didn't mean anything by it. I was, you know, just saying my prayers for the day. I always say the Lord's Prayer. It makes me feel good, kind of like getting a duty done." --- All right. Go on.

"Hallowed be Thy name." --- Hold it. What do you mean by that?

"By what?" --- By "Hallowed be Thy name?"

"It means. It means .... Good grief, I don't know what it means. How should I know? It's just a part of the prayer. By the way, what does it mean?" --- It means honored, holy, wonderful.

"Hey that makes sense. I never thought about what 'hallowed' meant before." "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." --- Do you really mean that?

" Sure, why not?" --- What are you doing about it?

"Doing? Nothing, I guess. I just think it would be kind of neat if you got control of everything down here like you have up there." --- Have I got control of you?

" Well, I go to church." --- That isn't what I asked you. What about your temper? You've really got a problem there, you know. And then there's the way you spend your money - all on yourself. And what about the kinds of books you read and what you watch on TV?

"Stop picking on me! I'm just as good as the rest of those people at church." ---Excuse me. I thought you were praying for my will to be done. If that is to happen, it will have to start with the ones who are praying for it. Like you, for example.

"Oh, all right. I guess I do have some hang-ups. Now that you mention it, I could probably name some others." ---So could I.

"I haven't thought about it very much until now, but I'd really like to cut out some of those things. I would like to, you know, be really free." --- Good. Now we're getting somewhere. We'll work together, you and I. Some victories can be truly won. I'm proud of you.

"Look, Lord, I need to finish this up here. This is taking a lot longer than it usually does ... Give us this day our daily bread." --- You could cut out the bread. It would help you lose weight.

"Hey, wait a minute! What is this, 'Criticize, ME day?' Here I was doing my religious duty, and all of a sudden you break in and remind me of all my hang-ups." --- Praying is a dangerous thing. You could wind up changed, you know.

--- That's what I'm trying to get across to you. Keep praying. I'm interested in the next part of your prayer.

--- (Pause) Well, go on.

" I'm scared to." --- Scared? Of what?

"I know what you'll say." --- Try me and see.

"Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us." --- What about Frank?

"See? I knew it! I knew you would bring him up! Why Lord he's told lies about me, spread stories about my family. He never paid back the money he owes me. I've sworn to get even with him!" --- But your prayer? What about your prayer?

"I didn't mean it." --- Well, at least you're honest. But it's not much fun carrying that load of bitterness inside you, is it?

"No. But, I'll feel better as soon as I get even. Boy, have I got some plans for that neighbor. He'll wish he had never moved into this neighborhood." --- You won't feel any better. You'll feel worse. Revenge isn't sweet. Think of how unhappy you already are. But, I can change all that.

"You can? How?" --- Forgive Frank. Then I'll forgive you. Then the hate and sin will be Frank's problem and not yours. You will have settled your heart.

"Oh, you're right. You always are. And, more than I want to get revenge against Frank, I want to be right with you. But ... (Pause) ... (Sigh) ... All right. I forgive him. Help him to find the right road in life, Lord. He's bound to be awfully miserable now that I think about it. Anybody who goes around doing the things he does to others has to be out of it. Someway, somehow, show him the right way. --- There now! Wonderful! How do you feel?

"Hmmm. Well, not bad. Not bad at all. I feel pretty great. You know, I don't think I'll have to go to bed uptight tonight for the first time since I can remember. --- You're not through with your prayers. Go on.

"Oh, all right. "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." --- Good! Good! I'll do that. Just don't put yourself in a place where you can be tempted.

"What do you mean by that?" --- Don't turn the TV on when you know the lawn needs to be mowed and the garage needs to be picked up. Also about the time you spend with your friends, if you can't influence the conversation to positive things, perhaps you should rethink the value of those friendships. Another thing, your neighbors and friends shouldn't be your standard for "keeping up."

--- And please don't use me as an escape hatch.

" I don't understand that last part." --- Sure you do. You've done it a lot of times. You get caught in a bad situation. You get in trouble and then you come running to me: "Lord, help me out of this mess, and I promise you I'll never do it again." You remember some of those bargains you tried to make with me?

"Yes, and I'm ashamed, Lord, I really am." ---Which bargain are you remembering?

"Well, there was the night that my wife was gone and the children and I were home alone. The wind was blowing so hard I thought the roof would go any minute and tornado warnings were out. I remember saying, 'Oh God, if you spare us, I'll never skip my devotions again." --- I protected you, but you didn't keep your promise, did you?

"I'm sorry, Lord I really am. Up until now I thought that if I just prayed the Lord's Prayer every day, then I could do what I liked. I didn't expect anything to happen like this." --- Go ahead and finish your prayer.

"For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory forever. Amen" --- Do you know what would bring me glory? What would really make me happy?

"No, but I'd like to know. I want to please you. I can see what a mess I've made of my life. And I can see how great it would be to really be one of your followers." --- You just answered the question.

"I did?" --- Yes. The thing that would bring me glory is to have people like you truly love me. And I see that happening between us. Now that some of these old sins are exposed and out of the way, there is no telling what we can do together.

"Lord, let's see what we can make of me, OK?" --- Yes, let's see.


WRAP: 1-There are millions of Christians who haven't beeN paying attention to what the govt is doing. They are unprepared to deal with the Clergy Response Team.
2-We need to get this word to them.
3-If you want to talk more about this or anything else, STAG is a comfortable place to do that. We're at 88 Briceland Rd., in Redway. The number is 707 923-ALLY (2559). Check out the radio archive and I now have 68 videos up on YouTube.
4-Thanks for listening today. I'll be back on Feb.7.
5-There's only one real safe haven for what's coming. That's God. He's real and has promised to take care of us.
This is Jack, Bye.

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